On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:54:52 UTC+1, Jarosław Sokołowski wrote:
> Pan Arnold Ziffel napisał:
> >> I nic wam to nie daje ze nie widzicie spamu. W trzy osoby będzie od
> >> ze sobą pisali? Google wprowadziło ze trzeba kliknąć ze się nie jest
> >> robotem. Ale widać nie działa.
> >
> > Świat na Google się nie kończy. Nie każdy pisze z Google.
> Już jakiś czas miałem o to pytać. Kiedyś było tak, że jak z któregoś
> serwera wychodził masowy spam, admin sobie z tym nie radził, a do tego
> nie reagował na zgłoszenia do "abuse", to się taki serwer po prostu
> wyrzucało z Usenetu, blokowało wszystko co z niego pochodzi, nikt się
> z tym długo nie szczypał. Z google jest inaczej. Dlaczego?
>
> To dość zabawne, że społecznicy odwalają za darmo robotę, która należy
> do jednej z bogatszych korporacji na świecie. W dodatku zupełnie
> niepotrzebnie, bo przecież w Usenecie zawsze tak było, że każdy czyta
> co chce i sam sobie filtruje jak lubi. Więc po co?
>
> --
> Jarek

No i czego znów marudzi
To z serwerów usenetowych pochodzi spam reklamowy a nagłówki są modyfikoane przez
skrypty

Google Groups obsługiwane są przez przeglądarke a tam działa Captcha

A ta ma 2 wersje.
Light , czyli nie jestem robotem
PRO, czyli obrazki do selekcji

I na wersję light sa skrypty pod Linuxa, które przesuwają kursor myszki i klikają
Captcha,
a na wersję obrazkową jest AI, czyli analiza obrazów, czyli to trudne nawet dla AI,
bo trzeba rozpoznawać obiekty obrazie, a obraz rozmyty

I Google Groups ma moderatora i on zarabia 100.000 $

Ale może wyjechał na urlop, albo go zwolnili, aby ciąć koszty

Grupa electronics.design

nie lepsza


https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.design

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On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 17:55:29 UTC+1, 2654 wrote:
> Przestaję rozumieć niektórych ludzi.
> :)
>
>
> --- Treść przekazanej wiadomości ---
> Temat: Re: If you're looking for the Google spam wave.
> Data: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 00:46:16 +0100
> Nadawca: Ivo Gandolfo <u...@b...team>
> Firma/Organizacja: To protect and to server
> Grupy dyskusyjne: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
> Odniesienia: <T5WUPTQh2OHegQznRi1txE2BDVQ@jntp>
> <uk03af$29vnc$1...@news.usenet.ovh> <uk04gf$2n881$1...@paganini.bofh.team>
>
> On 26/11/2023 20:00, Japanese Spammer Here wrote:
> > On 26/11/2023 18:38, llp wrote:
> >>
> >> Use Nocem from Eternal-September, i2pn2 or usenet.ovh
> >
> > No don't use them. They are getting many false positives and this has
> > only succeeded to destroy the internet. Let users decide what they
> > filter; Administrators should not get involved to block anything. Their
> > prejudices and ignorance corrupts the internet. You have been warned.
> >
>
> Strange.... u use my server, and I use this NoCem to keep the server
> clean ^_^"
>
>
> Sincerely
>
> --
> Ivo Gandolfo
> ----------------------------------------------------
---------------
Jaki twój serwer usenetowy,
gdy czytam Google Groups przez przeglądarkę

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W dniu 30.11.2023 o 15:03, Grzegorz Niemirowski pisze:

> Nie możesz sobie ot tak zainstalować serwera w domu bo jeszcze inne
> serwery muszą chcieć pobierać od Ciebie wiadomości.
>
Można to wymusić wysyłając automatycznie... w sumie to tylko "moje
wiadomosci". Tak działa Hamster, którego mam od lat :) i tam sobie mogę
filtry porobić.
--
LordBluzg(R)??
<<<?i? ć?d?? i Putina i ęjcaredefnoK>>>

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a a <m...@g...com> napisał(a):
> To z serwerów usenetowych pochodzi spam reklamowy a nagłówki są
> modyfikoane przez skrypty

To jest Twoja teoria, na którą nie masz żadnych dowodów. Poza tym zauważ, że
nawet jak sobie niewiadomo jakie cuda wpiszesz w Path, to i tak serwery,
które biorą wiadomości od Ciebie, wpiszą do Path twój serwer. Więc i tak
takie oszukiwanie szybko wyjdzie na jaw.

> Google Groups obsługiwane są przez przeglądarke a tam działa Captcha

Myślisz, że CAPTCHA jest zabezpieczeniem, którego nie można obejść?

--
Grzegorz Niemirowski
https://www.grzegorz.net/

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On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 21:39:26 UTC+1, Grzegorz Niemirowski wrote:
> a a <m...@g...com> napisał(a):
> > To z serwerów usenetowych pochodzi spam reklamowy a nagłówki są
> > modyfikoane przez skrypty
> To jest Twoja teoria, na którą nie masz żadnych dowodów. Poza tym zauważ, że
> nawet jak sobie niewiadomo jakie cuda wpiszesz w Path, to i tak serwery,
> które biorą wiadomości od Ciebie, wpiszą do Path twój serwer. Więc i tak
> takie oszukiwanie szybko wyjdzie na jaw.
> > Google Groups obsługiwane są przez przeglądarke a tam działa Captcha
> Myślisz, że CAPTCHA jest zabezpieczeniem, którego nie można obejść?
> --
> Grzegorz Niemirowski


Obejść można wszystko, ale roboty wysyłają milion y spamu do usenetu i ten traffic
codziennie rośnie i przejmuje kolejną grupę

Captcha z obrazkami nie da się obejśc, bo trzeba identyfikować obiekty na obrazkach
a z tym nie radzi sobie nawet AI, bo nie ma procesu uczenia się bo obrazki i test
jest ciągle aktualizowany

A tutaj opis protokołu Usenet
i sam konfigurujesz na serwerze, co ma być dodane do Path jako twój host name


Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages

STATUS OF THIS MEMO

This document defines the standard format for the interchange of network News
messages among USENET hosts. It updates and replaces RFC-850, reflecting version
B2.11 of the News program. This memo is disributed as an RFC to make this information
easily accessible to the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet
standard. Distribution of this memo is unlimited.

[Hypertext markup by Tim Berners-Lee March1994]

1. Introduction
This document defines the standard format for the interchange of network News
messages among USENET hosts. It describes the format for messages themselves and
gives partial standards for transmission of news. The news transmission is not
entirely in order to give a good deal of flexibility to the hosts to choose
transmission hardware and software, to batch news, and so on.

There are five sections to this document. Section two defines the format. Section
three defines the valid control messages. Section four specifies some valid
transmission methods. Section five describes the overall news propagation algorithm.

2. Message Format
The primary consideration in choosing a message format is that it fit in with
existing tools as well as possible. Existing tools include implementations of both
mail and news. (The notesfiles system from the University of Illinois is considered a
news implementation.) A standard format for mail messages has existed for many years
on the Internet, and this format meets most of the needs of USENET. Since the
Internet format is extensible, extensions to meet the additional needs of USENET are
easily made within the Internet standard. Therefore, the rule is adopted that all
USENET news messages must be formatted as valid Internet mail messages, according to
the Internet standard RFC-822. The USENET News standard is more restrictive than the
Internet standard, placing additional requirements on each message and forbidding use
of certain Internet features. However, it should always be possible to use a tool
expecting an Internet message to process a news message. In any situation where this
standard conflicts with the Internet standard, RFC-822 should be considered correct
and this standard in error.

Here is an example USENET message to illustrate the fields.

From: j...@e...ATT.COM (Jerry Schwarz)
Path: cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt!eagle!jerry
Newsgroups: news.announce
Subject: Usenet Etiquette -- Please Read
Message-ID: <6...@e...ATT.COM>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 82 16:14:55 GMT
Followup-To: news.misc
Expires: Sat, 1 Jan 83 00:00:00 -0500
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill

The body of the message comes here, after a blank line.

Here is an example of a message in the old format (before the existence of this
standard). It is recommended that implementations also accept messages in this format
to ease upward conversion.

From: cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt!eagle!jerry (Jerry Schwarz)
Newsgroups: news.misc
Title: Usenet Etiquette -- Please Read
Article-I.D.: eagle.642
Posted: Fri Nov 19 16:14:55 1982
Received: Fri Nov 19 16:59:30 1982
Expires: Mon Jan 1 00:00:00 1990

The body of the message comes here, after a blank line.

Some news systems transmit news in the A format, which looks like this:

Aeagle.642
news.misc
cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt!eagle!jerry
Fri Nov 19 16:14:55 1982
Usenet Etiquette - Please Read
The body of the message comes here, with no blank line.

A standard USENET message consists of several header lines, followed by a blank line,
followed by the body of the message. Each header line consists of a keyword, a colon,
a blank, and some additional information. This is a subset of the Internet standard,
simplified to allow simpler software to handle it. The "From" line may optionally
include a full name, in the format above, or use the Internet angle bracket syntax.
To keep the implementations simple, other formats (for example, with part of the
machine address after the close parenthesis) are not allowed. The Internet convention
of continuation header lines (beginning with a blank or tab) is allowed.

Certain headers are required, and certain other headers are optional. Any
unrecognized headers are allowed, and will be passed through unchanged. The required
header lines are "From", "Date", "Newsgroups", "Subject", "Message-ID", and "Path".
The optional header lines are "Followup-To", "Expires", "Reply-To", "Sender",
"References", "Control", "Distribution", "Keywords", "Summary", "Approved", "Lines",
"Xref", and "Organization". Each of these header lines will be described below.

2.1. Required Header lines

2.1.1. From
The "From" line contains the electronic mailing address of the person who sent the
message, in the Internet syntax. It may optionally also contain the full name of the
person, in parentheses, after the electronic address. The electronic address is the
same as the entity responsible for originating the message, unless the "Sender"
header is present, in which case the "From" header might not be verified. Note that
in all host and domain names, upper and lower case are considered the same, thus
"m...@c...ATT.COM", "m...@c...att.com", and "m...@C...ATt.COm" are all
equivalent. User names may or may not be case sensitive, for example,
"B...@c...ATT.COM" might be different from "B...@c...ATT.COM". Programs
should avoid changing the case of electronic addresses when forwarding news or mail.

RFC-822 specifies that all text in parentheses is to be interpreted as a comment. It
is common in Internet mail to place the full name of the user in a comment at the end
of the "From" line. This standard specifies a more rigid syntax. The full name is not
considered a comment, but an optional part of the header line. Either the full name
is omitted, or it appears in parentheses after the electronic address of the person
posting the message, or it appears before an electronic address which is enclosed in
angle brackets. Thus, the three permissible forms are:

From: m...@c...ATT.COM
From: m...@c...ATT.COM (Mark Horton)
From: Mark Horton <m...@c...ATT.COM>

Full names may contain any printing ASCII characters from space through tilde, except
that they may not contain "(" (left parenthesis), ")" (right parenthesis), "<" (left
angle bracket), or ">" (right angle bracket). Additional restrictions may be placed
on full names by the mail standard, in particular, the characters "," (comma), ":"
(colon), "@" (at), "!" (bang), "/" (slash), "=" (equal), and ";" (semicolon) are
inadvisable in full names.

2.1.2. Date
The "Date" line (formerly "Posted") is the date that the message was originally
posted to the network. Its format must be acceptable both in RFC-822 and to the
getdate(3) routine that is provided with the Usenet software. This date remains
unchanged as the message is propagated throughout the network. One format that is
acceptable to both is:

Wdy, DD Mon YY HH:MM:SS TIMEZONE

Several examples of valid dates appear in the sample message above. Note in
particular that ctime(3) format:

Wdy Mon DD HH:MM:SS YYYY

is not acceptable because it is not a valid RFC-822 date. However, since older
software still generates this format, news implementations are encouraged to accept
this format and translate it into an acceptable format.

There is no hope of having a complete list of timezones. Universal Time (GMT), the
North American timezones (PST, PDT, MST, MDT, CST, CDT, EST, EDT) and the +/-hhmm
offset specifed in RFC-822 should be supported. It is recommended that times in
message headers be transmitted in GMT and displayed in the local time zone.

2.1.3. Newsgroups
The "Newsgroups" line specifies the newsgroup or newsgroups in which the message
belongs. Multiple newsgroups may be specified, separated by a comma. Newsgroups
specified must all be the names of existing newsgroups, as no new newsgroups will be
created by simply posting to them.

Wildcards (e.g., the word "all") are never allowed in a "News- groups" line. For
example, a newsgroup comp.all is illegal, although a newsgroup rec.sport.football is
permitted.

If a message is received with a "Newsgroups" line listing some valid newsgroups and
some invalid newsgroups, a host should not remove invalid newsgroups from the list.
Instead, the invalid newsgroups should be ignored. For example, suppose host A
subscribes to the classes btl.all and comp.all, and exchanges news messages with host
B, which subscribes to comp.all but not btl.all. Suppose A receives a message with
Newsgroups: comp.unix,btl.general.

This message is passed on to B because B receives comp.unix, but B does not receive
btl.general. A must leave the "Newsgroups" line unchanged. If it were to remove
btl.general, the edited header could eventually re-enter the btl.all class, resulting
in a message that is not shown to users subscribing to btl.general. Also, follow-ups
from outside btl.all would not be shown to such users.

2.1.4. Subject
The "Subject" line (formerly "Title") tells what the message is about. It should be
suggestive enough of the contents of the message to enable a reader to make a
decision whether to read the message based on the subject alone. If the message is
submitted in response to another message (e.g., is a follow-up) the default subject
should begin with the four characters "Re:", and the "References" line is required.
For follow-ups, the use of the "Summary" line is encouraged.

2.1.5. Message-ID
The "Message-ID" line gives the message a unique identifier. The Message-ID may not
be reused during the lifetime of any previous message with the same Message-ID. (It
is recommended that no Message-ID be reused for at least two years.) Message-ID's
have the syntax:

<string not containing blank or ">">

In order to conform to RFC-822, the Message-ID must have the format:

<unique@full_domain_name>

where full_domain_name is the full name of the host at which the message entered the
network, including a domain that host is in, and unique is any string of printing
ASCII characters, not including "<" (left angle bracket), ">" (right angle bracket),
or "@" (at sign).

For example, the unique part could be an integer representing a sequence number for
messages submitted to the network, or a short string derived from the date and time
the message was created. For example, a valid Message-ID for a message submitted from
host ucbvax in domain "Berkeley.EDU" would be "<4...@u...Berkeley.EDU>".
Programmers are urged not to make assumptions about the content of Message-ID fields
from other hosts, but to treat them as unknown character strings. It is not safe, for
example, to assume that a Message-ID will be under 14 characters, that it is unique
in the first 14 characters, nor that is does not contain a "/".

The angle brackets are considered part of the Message-ID. Thus, in references to the
Message-ID, such as the ihave/sendme and cancel control messages, the angle brackets
are included. White space characters (e.g., blank and tab) are not allowed in a
Message-ID. Slashes ("/") are strongly discouraged. All characters between the angle
brackets must be printing ASCII characters.

2.1.6. Path
This line shows the path the message took to reach the current system. When a system
forwards the message, it should add its own name to the list of systems in the "Path"
line. The names may be separated by any punctuation character or characters (except
"." which is considered part of the hostname). Thus, the following are valid entries:

cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt
cbosgd, mhuxj, mhuxt
@cbosgd.ATT.COM,@mhuxj.ATT.COM,@mhuxt.ATT.COM
teklabs, zehntel, sri-unix@cca!decvax

(The latter path indicates a message that passed through decvax, cca, sri-unix,
zehntel, and teklabs, in that order.) Additional names should be added from the left.
For example, the most recently added name in the fourth example was teklabs. Letters,
digits, periods and hyphens are considered part of host names; other punctuation,
including blanks, are considered separators.

Normally, the rightmost name will be the name of the originating system. However, it
is also permissible to include an extra entry on the right, which is the name of the
sender. This is for upward compatibility with older systems.

The "Path" line is not used for replies, and should not be taken as a mailing
address. It is intended to show the route the message traveled to reach the local
host. There are several uses for this information. One is to monitor USENET routing
for performance reasons. Another is to establish a path to reach new hosts. Perhaps
the most important use is to cut down on redundant USENET traffic by failing to
forward a message to a host that is known to have already received it. In particular,
when host A sends a message to host B, the "Path" line includes A, so that host B
will not immediately send the message back to host A. The name each host uses to
identify itself should be the same as the name by which its neighbors know it, in
order to make this optimization possible.

A host adds its own name to the front of a path when it receives a message from
another host. Thus, if a message with path "A!X!Y!Z" is passed from host A to host B,
B will add its own name to the path when it receives the message from A, e.g.,
"B!A!X!Y!Z". If B then passes the message on to C, the message sent to C will contain
the path "B!A!X!Y!Z", and when C receives it, C will change it to "C!B!A!X!Y!Z".

Special upward compatibility note: Since the "From", "Sender", and "Reply-To" lines
are in Internet format, and since many USENET hosts do not yet have mailers capable
of understanding Internet format, it would break the reply capability to completely
sever the connection between the "Path" header and the reply function. It is
recognized that the path is not always a valid reply string in older implementations,
and no requirement to fix this problem is placed on implementations. However, the
existing convention of placing the host name and an "!" at the front of the path, and
of starting the path with the host name, an "!", and the user name, should be
maintained when possible.

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On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 21:39:26 UTC+1, Grzegorz Niemirowski wrote:
> a a <m...@g...com> napisał(a):
> > To z serwerów usenetowych pochodzi spam reklamowy a nagłówki są
> > modyfikoane przez skrypty
> To jest Twoja teoria, na którą nie masz żadnych dowodów. Poza tym zauważ, że
> nawet jak sobie niewiadomo jakie cuda wpiszesz w Path, to i tak serwery,
> które biorą wiadomości od Ciebie, wpiszą do Path twój serwer. Więc i tak
> takie oszukiwanie szybko wyjdzie na jaw.
> > Google Groups obsługiwane są przez przeglądarke a tam działa Captcha
> Myślisz, że CAPTCHA jest zabezpieczeniem, którego nie można obejść?
> --
> Grzegorz Niemirowski


Tutaj czytaj i nie filozofuj

"2.1.6. Path
This line shows the path the message took to reach the current system. When a system
forwards the message, it should add its own name to the list of systems in the "Path"
line. The names may be separated by any punctuation character or characters (except
"." which is considered part of the hostname). Thus, the following are valid entries:

cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt
cbosgd, mhuxj, mhuxt
@cbosgd.ATT.COM,@mhuxj.ATT.COM,@mhuxt.ATT.COM
teklabs, zehntel, sri-unix@cca!decvax

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Na thunderbirdzie (new.wit.edu.pl ) zawalone tym gównem.
Niech ktoś to zlikwiduje na litość boga urojonego !

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On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 22:51:20 UTC+1, sundayman wrote:
> Na thunderbirdzie (new.wit.edu.pl ) zawalone tym gównem.
> Niech ktoś to zlikwiduje na litość boga urojonego !

Niestety, nie udało się odnaleźć tej strony

Nie udało się połączyć z serwerem pod adresem ,,new.wit.edu.pl".

Mam znajomych studentów.
Trzeba im coś dać i to zlikwidują.
Ale to codzienna aktywność i wcale nie automatyczna.

Pytałem FBI Denver ale mają inne zainteresowania i priorytety

Potrzebny jest jakiś fundusz składkowy
i jeżeli ktoś zrobi coś pozytywnego aby zwalczyc ten spam, to niech dostanie
kieszonkowe.

Pracowałem z informatykami Bezosa w San Francisco
i był serwis drobnych zleceń.

Zrobię to i to za tyle,
albo chcę aby ktos zrobił to i to za tyle

No i się zarabiało albo płaciło 10-100$
i to był bardzo pożyteczny serwis.

Chciałem zarabiać, to pracowałem dla innych,
a czegoś potrzebowałem, to ktoś inny pracował dla mnie

Bo tak jest zbudowany świat

Nikt nie myśli w NASK , że jak się spam rozuchwali na usenecie to potem zaleje
wszystkie skrzynki pocztowe
a potem bramki smsowe będą rozsyłały miliony reklam przez sms i wszystko budowane od
lat padnie

Ale tak niestety wygląda patologia pocovidowa, że każdem to lotto

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> Nie udało się połączyć z serwerem pod adresem ,,new.wit.edu.pl".
>

news://news.wit.edu.pl:119/pl.misc.elektronika

> Mam znajomych studentów.
> Trzeba im coś dać i to zlikwidują.

No i gitara, jeśli nie jakieś kosmiczne pieniądze.

> Nikt nie myśli w NASK , że jak się spam rozuchwali na usenecie to potem zaleje
wszystkie skrzynki pocztowe
> a potem bramki smsowe będą rozsyłały miliony reklam przez sms i wszystko budowane
od lat padnie

Otóż to.

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On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 00:12:04 UTC+1, sundayman wrote:
> > Nie udało się połączyć z serwerem pod adresem ,,new.wit.edu.pl".
> >
> news://news.wit.edu.pl:119/pl.misc.elektronika
> > Mam znajomych studentów.
> > Trzeba im coś dać i to zlikwidują.
> No i gitara, jeśli nie jakieś kosmiczne pieniądze.
> > Nikt nie myśli w NASK , że jak się spam rozuchwali na usenecie to potem zaleje
wszystkie skrzynki pocztowe
> > a potem bramki smsowe będą rozsyłały miliony reklam przez sms i wszystko budowane
od lat padnie
> Otóż to.


Dam 10 zł

100 osób x 10 zł to będzie jakieś kieszonkowe dla studenta

http://news.wit.edu.pl:119/pl.misc.elektronika

"Zastrzeżony adres

"Ten adres zawiera numer portu sieciowego, który zazwyczaj nie jest wykorzystywany do
przeglądania stron WWW. Firefox anulował żądanie dla bezpieczeństwa użytkownika.

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