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111. Data: 2014-03-04 13:37:47
Temat: Re: David West: OOP is Dead
Od: g...@g...com
W dniu niedziela, 23 lutego 2014 11:45:08 UTC+1 użytkownik Roman W napisał:
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 01:47:32 -0800 (PST), g...@g...com
> wrote:
> > Understanding the principles is not essential
> > for an introduction to the subject matter anymore,
> > it matters more that you can develop a mental map
> > of systems and make things work for you which is
> > what dealing with the robots in 6.01 will make you do.
>
> To brzmi tak jakby po prostu postanowili obniżyć studentom
> poprzeczkę. SICP transit gloria mundi.
To są ludzie od edukacji, i oni raczej nie rozumują w kategoriach poprzeczek, tylko
przydatności wiedzy. W materiałach do kursu 6.01 widziałem rozdziały w całości
poświęcone teorii obwodów albo analizie sygnałów, nie mające nic wspólnego z
programowaniem w Pythonie. Znalazłem jeszcze wywiad Petera Seibela z Halem Abelsonem
[1], który to potwierdza i w którym jest na ten temat nieco więcej:
Seibel: You were involved in the revision to the MIT core computer science
curriculum, a few years ago, which replaced 6.001 with 6.01. In the Lisp world people
are like, "Oh, they're switching from Scheme to Python. The sky is falling."
Abelson: Well, that's all superficial. The main thing is 6.01 is not a course about
programming. It's not a course about software. It's not even a course about
computers. The main change was that we said the first course in the department should
be a much broader course about what's going on in the department. That's hard for the
programming people to understand.
6.001 was really a course in software. It's how you think about software, how you
think about programming. In the new department structure, 6.01 is specifically not
that and it's not that intentionally.[...]
[1] http://codequarterly.com/2011/hal-abelson/
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112. Data: 2014-03-05 20:46:05
Temat: Re: David West: OOP is Dead
Od: Roman W <b...@g...pl>
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 04:37:47 -0800 (PST), g...@g...com wrote:
> To są ludzie od edukacji, i oni raczej nie rozumują w kategoriach=
> poprzeczek, tylko przydatności wiedzy.
I w kategoriach czesnego.
RW